User talk:Gold Flower
You had category misspelled at first, so those links didn't work. Normally you can move pages, but since category pages are different from regulare pages (which your catagory:pages were), I had to delete them. Copied their contents to new pages.
Maybe something like what i've done at Category:Damrod is worth while to include on all pages?
- iris
PS- Forgot to mention: put 'browse characters' and 'browse locations' links in the menu.
I'm still having to keep correcting myself... Still I'm sure I'll have learnt how to spell category once I'm done. ;)
The Damrod thing looks good, I do also want to do the information bit, but I think first I'll concentrate on getting all the chapters listed... That is the main point of this after all.
Are we agreed that characters mentioned but not actively involved in a chapter shouldn't be listed?
Also location seems difficult... I think we should have one even if one isn't mentioned because it's easy to tell where they are from past chapters, although there may be inconsistancies... E.g. the third chapter says they're in Ithilien when the previous ones are in Henneth Annun... Middle earth geography isn't my strong point...
Later on maybe we should categorize them further into Gondor, Rohan etc.
-Gold Flower 14 March 2006 18:39 (GMT)
PS - A couple of the links on the The man is Imrahil, whom Faramir has not met since childhood. are still red and I can't work out why.
- The Damrod thing looks good, I do also want to do the information bit, but I think first I'll concentrate on getting all the chapters listed... That is the main point of this after all.
Nods.
The 'include this code' block uses Template:Addtocategory, so you can add that to any category and the code will change automatically.
- Are we agreed that characters mentioned but not actively involved in a chapter shouldn't be listed?
Yeah, I think otherwise you might as well use the search.
- Also location seems difficult... I think we should have one even if one isn't mentioned because it's easy to tell where they are from past chapters, although there may be inconsistancies... E.g. the third chapter says they're in Ithilien when the previous ones are in Henneth Annun... Middle earth geography isn't my strong point...
Well, Henneth Annûn is in Ithilien, so that's not an inconsistancy. Like saying you're in Minas Tirith and in Gondor is not a contradictory statement, or in London and in the UK for that matter.
You can always just focus on characters for now. Chances are, characters and locations will overlap for a large part anyway (e.g. 'Elrond' chapters will largely be 'Rivendell' chapters as well), so (1) the additional functionality is debatable, and (2) if we should want an locations index, it'll be easier to do once there is a characters index.
- PS - A couple of the links on the The man is Imrahil, whom Faramir has not met since childhood. are still red and I can't work out why.
Yes, this is a know issue with categories. If you add a category to a page that does not yet exist (or is still empty), it turns up red. This is normal. But the problem is that is doesn't turn blue as soon as the category is edited; it only turns blue as soon as the page with the category link is edited again. Basically, the system checks if the category exists each time the page is saved, not each time the page is viewed.
So: create categories first, then add them to chapters.
- iris 14 March 2006 19:43 (GMT)
And: I don't know how useful is is to have several categories for the same character, who goes by different names. Why have a category for Thorongil and Estel and Strider and Longshanks and Wingfoot and Elfstone, when all readers want is to find the chapters about Aragorn?
You could of course make all of those sub-categories of Aragorn, but I'd say: why bother? Just mark all chapters with 'Aragorn', and then mention the other names he goes by in the short info bit.
Same goes for Mithrandir/Gandalf/Grey Pelgrim/Grey Wizard/White Wizard/... and all those other characters with many names. People look for all the chapters featuring a particular character, not the chapters where a character uses a particular alias.
- iris 14 March 2006 19:43 (GMT)
- Well, Henneth Annûn is in Ithilien, so that's not an inconsistancy. Like saying you're in Minas Tirith and in Gondor is not a contradictory statement, or in London and in the UK for that matter.
Therefore is it better to catagorise collectively rather than seperate locations e.g Putting Henneth Annûn in the Ithilien category for those like me who get confused. ;) It's like putting Shepherd's Bush and Hammersmith both in the London category as everyone knows London but not all know the different parts of it.
I'm putting in the mentioned locations now as it doesn't really take up any extra time, we can always sort them out later.
- So: create categories first, then add them to chapters.
Actually I'm not sure how to do that... I only know how to make new categories on the chapter pages.
- And: I don't know how useful is is to have several categories for the same character, who goes by different names. Why have a category for Thorongil and Estel and Strider and Longshanks and Wingfoot and Elfstone, when all readers want is to find the chapters about Aragorn?
I was thinking this too... I was originally going to put them all under Thorongil because it's how he is first introduced in the story. But I guess Aragorn is best because it's the one everyone knows.
-Gold Flower 14 March 2006 19:57 (GMT) And I wish I'd stop forgetting to add my name at the bottom of these ;)
- Actually I'm not sure how to do that... I only know how to make new categories on the chapter pages.
Just change the url in your browser's address bar. In http://wiki.faramirfiction.com/index.php/Category:x replace 'x' with the category you want to create. You can make any new page that way.
- I was thinking this too... I was originally going to put them all under Thorongil because it's how he is first introduced in the story. But I guess Aragorn is best because it's the one everyone knows.
Thorongil was the alias Aragorn used when he was in Gondor, serving under Ecthelion, Faramir's granddad. So when you use 'Thorongil', it doesn't refer to any old Aragorn, but to Aragorn in a specific time and place. And when 'Thorongil' is used in this story, it is because there is some connection to that time when Aragorn was a captain in Gondor's army - and that is not true for all Aragorns in all threads. Just like the alias 'Elessar' only applies to those threads where Aragorn is king, and not where he's a mere ranger.
So the reason to use Aragorn, not Thorongil, is not so much that everybody knows him as Aragorn, but more that you can always refer to him as Aragorn, but not always as Thorongil, or Elessar.
Nice touch that you got Mithrandir, not Gandalf. After all, Faramir says in Window on the West: "Mithrandir we called him in elf-fashion, and he was content"
- iris 14 March 2006 20:31 (GMT)